Are they not gonna release any boards with this new APU? I've built several with the bobcat APU and its great for replacing the old P4s out there, better performance while using less power under load than a P4 does at idle and it would be great if I could get the quad versions for a price close to what the bobcats have been going for.
The problem is gonna be Windows 8. For those that don't know the FP light "half core" design they used in Bulldozer and Steamroller has a serious performance issue in WinXP, Vista and 7 and MSFT has made it clear its a WILL NOT FIX except...in Windows 8.
So for all of you that don't want Metro? I'm afraid you should either avoid AMD or disable half of each module so it behaves like a "normal" chip because otherwise Windows treats it like hyperthreading which is bad. For those that don't know WHY its bad, imagine you buy a Steamroller 8 core. Now the best way for Windows to schedule 4 jobs would be ONE per module, that gives each of the 4 jobs its own FP unit. Instead thanks to the scheduler bug Windows will dump those 4 jobs on the first two modules, slowing them to a crawl, while the other two modules twiddle their thumbs...see the problem?
So until AMD gets rid of the half core design, or gets MSFT to backport the fix, I'll be hanging onto my Thuban for another couple of years and then if it isn't fixed going to Intel. Because I don't kn ow about everyone else but I have NO desire to turn my desktop into a cell phone with Win 8's Metro UI.
If the rumor mills are true the reason AMD has been hurting is they fired all the guys that made the great chips like Athlon64, only to replace them with computer generated chip layouts. From what I've been told there is no computer that can lay out the chips like a human, you end up with 20%+ larger dies and 20%+ more wasted power because the computer doesn't understand the intricate ways the chip components interact.
Hopefully by bringing in some old school chip guys that can get rid of the bad designs like BD they've been trying to sell and bring us another winner.
Meh if I made the money Steam makes in a week I could live like a king! The problem with these kinds of "studies" is they could pretty much ANYTHING as a "game", even those spamming FB clickers like Farmville. Saying those are indicative of gaming is like saying gaming is dead because monopoly boards aren't selling as well.
The simple fact is there are more free options than ever for the PC so naturally people aren't buying as many boxed units (ask Valve how much they make off hats and you'll see why the MMOs are all going FTP) and thanks to all the games being cross platform now there is no reason to upgrade nearly as often, so naturally hardware sales are down.
To use some very old wisdom "correlation does not equal causation" and just because companies like EA, that squirt out the same game year after year with a few shiny bits tacked on, are not doing so hot doesn't mean the rest aren't doing well. Just ask the ones that made Limbo, or Minecraft, or all these other indie games that are racking up the sales what THEY think about PC gaming. Personally i think its never been better, or cheaper, or easier to be a PC gamer and I for one and really happy. if this is "failure" can we have more please?
I'm personally sticking with Thuban and hoping AMD can pull themselves out of the rut. While BD does seem to slow after several months the Thubans just keep going strong and if you look around they can often be had for $120 or less. At $20 a core I can put up with not being the fastest system, although my Thuban plays all the latest games just fine, but its pretty obvious that BullDozer was a dud and i have to wonder if anything based on it will be a dud as well.
As someone old enough to remember what it was like when Intel had a monopoly (crazy prices with hardly any innovation) I can only hope that the new chip designer that AMD hired away from Apple can bring us another Athlon64 style winner, because for the past few years they've only had bang for the buck but with the higher prices of BD they don't even have that anymore.