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Offline froggy368  
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:14:17 PM(UTC)
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Since my mobo is on its way out and upgrading has been on my mind for quite a while, here is what I came up with:

First what is staying: 1 74GB WD Raptor 10000rpm sata; 1 250GB WD 7200rpm sata; combo CD/DVD drive. The rest is where I need help. I probably should tell you that this new PC will be used mostly for flight simulation (maybe up to 3 monitors), some strategy gaming (total war series) and storing and editing pictures. No video editing.

I have an Intel and an AMD version. An intel version because I believe it will be the faster one and an AMD version because I hope to be able to plug in the new mobo one of the Bulldozer CPUs coming out soon.

Sooner than later I will have 2 graphic cards regardless of which way I go. Same with the SSD I picked for the AMD build except I don't know whether it's a good one or not.

I would like this new toy to cost me around $1500, $1600 but I could be convinced to go a little higher if necessary! I will be waiting anxiously for advice!!!!! 

INTEL

 -MSI R6970 Lightning Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card:  $386.99

-MSI P67A-GD65 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard: $179.99

-Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K: $314.99

-CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply: $229.99

-G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory:  $99.99

-Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit 1-Pack - OEM: $129.99

 SUBTOTAL:  $1341.94

AMD

-MSI 890FXA-GD70 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard: $194.99

-AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo Socket AM3 125W: $209.99

-CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory:$94.99

-COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSC00-80GAD3-US 1200W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply: $239.99

-MSI R6970 Lightning Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card:  $386.99

-OCZ RevoDrive OCZSSDPX-1RVD0120 PCI-E x4 120GB PCI Express MLC Internal SSD: $284.99

-Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit 1-Pack – OEM: $129.99

 SUBTOTAL: $1539.93

 

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#2 Posted : Friday, May 20, 2011 6:08:54 PM(UTC)
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I'd choose the intel seeing as how it's only a few hundred dollars cheaper (if you're into that kind of thing.) I removed the SSD from the AMD side as it's not as essential and actually provides an unfair comparison but if you want an SSD than be wary that they do cost a lot (as what you have listed in the list itself has shown.)

You might want to go for an 850W power supply (one that overvolts to 1000W preferably, look up 850W power supplies with OCP (over current protection)). I find 1000W to be a bit too much (even for SLI/Crossfire, which is what you are going for right?), unless you're going for an NVIDIA card and just then, I might suggest a maybe for an 1000W power supply.

Also while you've picked G-Skill as your RAM set, I actually prefer Corsair based on the usage; so far it seems like pretty reliable high-performing RAM but again, it's all dependent on choice; you may even like G-Skill better then Corsair.\

Anyway, hope you ma

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#3 Posted : Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:54:12 PM(UTC)
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I don't think I was very clear as far as the SSD is concerned but I would like to have one regardless which way I go. For the RAM memory I am not really stuck on any brand; actually I've had corsair all these years and don't have one bad thing to say about it.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:30:40 PM(UTC)
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froggy368 wrote:
I've had corsair all these years and don't have one bad thing to say about it.

It's a good brand, but I've found GSKill to be a great performer and it usually sells for less.  I would go with 2-four GB sticks no matter what way you go with the other parts. DDR3-1600 has been the perfect fit for me.

On the Intel build, maybe you should have a look at mainboards that use the just introduced Z68 chipset. They have some nice extra features built into them and they do perform just a little better than the P67's do. They don't cost much more either.

You keeping the Raptor in place (old technology) may not be the best way to go. Using the latest Intel Z68 chipset mainboards now available, you can buy a small 40-64GB SSD and use Intel's "Smart Response Technology" that mates the SSD together with a modern drive like the 64-megabyte cache 1TB WD Black drives on the market for dramatic speed increases. It ends up as the SSD being a hybrid cache for the WD drive. We have articles up describing the technology and how fast it really is. The i5-2500K CPU gets fantastic overclocking speeds that rival the i7 you're looking at, but costs a lot less. Enough to pay for that 1TB WD Black drive.

With the i5 and the video card you have picked out, nothing's gonna slow you down for years as far as games go.

As for the AMD build, I wouldn't do anything with them until they release Bulldozer CPU's. Right now, Intel's faster, but we don't know for how long that will be true. Bulldozer may be a game-changer, and maybe not. The latest Intel Tech is extremely solid and will be viable for a long time to come.

And the last point I want to make is about the power supply. SeaSonic probably doesn't make a 1000watt PSU, but you probably don't need one either. Newer CPU's and Video Cards use less power than just a few years ago, and the largest SeaSonic PSU will be perfect for you. The last contest build that was given away here had TWO maxed-out video cards inside of it and the professional builders of that system used a Large SeaSonic PSU in it. If you go to MainGear's website and look at their builds, you'll see that that's the brand that they use. I think that it's the best of the best.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:34:43 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Realneil for all the good advice! So a Seasonic PSU it will be: SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 for $205 (newegg website). The RAM memory doesn't seem to be a bad choice. your suggestion for the combination SSD and 1TB WD looks very good but couldn't I also keep the old dogs for storing pictures and other files like that?

Before I decide which way I am going to go, I really would like to know what the AMD Bulldozer CPU's are going to be capable of. According to this website it could be quite an eye opener! http://lensfire.blogspot.com/2011/05/heres-amds-8-core-fx-processor.html . June 11th seems to be the date and because I always liked the underdog I am willing to wait a little longer for this upgrade and do it without any regrets!

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#6 Posted : Sunday, May 22, 2011 6:20:21 PM(UTC)
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froggy368 wrote:
couldn't I also keep the old dogs for storing pictures and other files like that?

Sure. But if you use the Z68 main-board, it's 'Rapid Response Technology' means setting up the SSD as the Hybrid Cache for the 1TB WD drive. After that's done, then add all the drives that you want to. It really sounds pretty cool.

I've decided to wait for Bulldozer too. I like AMD and if they can release something groundbreaking, I'll buy it. Otherwise, It will be the Intel based build that I suggested to you.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:11:36 PM(UTC)
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As far as the Intel version is concerned, I would then add for motherboard the MSI Z68A-GD80 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ; switch the 64 BG SSD for the OCZ Solid 3 SLD3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC for a little extra kick and keep the i7 for CPU. I have never tried to overclock a PC before although I understand it is becoming easier to do so; but I feel like treating myself and this set up should take care of me for a long while. The grand total would be about $1650.00!

For now I am going to sit back and wait (not very long I hope) until AMD shows up with its Bulldozer CPU's!

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:28:58 PM(UTC)
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If it's about overclocking then there's many factors relate to it but all you need to know is that four things are essential to overclocking. Core clock, timing, voltages and memory speeds. There is also some advanced stuff but I don't think that really matters much unless you're going for an extreme overclock.

There may be presets but they may have faults of their own (overclock might not be stable, voltage might be set much higher.), trial and error is the best way to go when overclocking.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:34:42 PM(UTC)
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Overclocking is something I will attempt once I have my new system but believe me, I will make sure I do my homework before I start doing things I might regret!

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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:35:47 PM(UTC)
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froggy368 wrote:
Overclocking is something I will attempt once I have my new system

Many manufacturers have included features that make it easier for you to do it safely. ASRock is one of them. On my two P55-Pro Mainboards, you can go into the BIOS and turn on one setting that automatically tweaks all of your settings 40%.

So my i7-870's run at 3.9GHz. and 3.8GHz instead of 2.93GHz. with no work at all on my part except for providing good air flow in the cases, and a self-contained CPU water cooler. One is a Corsair H-50 and the other an Asetek LCLC. (which is essentially the same thing)

Read as much as you can before you order your parts. It will pay off.

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#11 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 11:58:32 AM(UTC)
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I have an i7-870 as well with an Antec Kuhler 620 [self-contained hydro cpu cooler] as well. & can easily run at  3.9GHz all day w/ o problems.

What you may want to consider is matching as best as you can the mobo-ram  combination.because once you get the hang of the cpu OC a bit >>you may  notice a bit more 'snap' with higher mem speeds and tighter timings...without spending much more  $$

just a thought

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#12 Posted : Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:02:09 PM(UTC)
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Would these G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM be a good combination with the i7-2600k CPU? Obviously I have the option to double that capacity later on but according to Realneil it should be fine for this intel build.

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#13 Posted : Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:55:39 PM(UTC)
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froggy368 wrote:
Would these G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM be a good combination with the i7-2600k CPU?

Yes, when I upgrade to an i7-2600K Sandy Bridge system later on this year, I'll re-use these four 4GB memory sticks in that system.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, June 5, 2011 7:16:17 PM(UTC)
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There it is! I decided not to wait any longer for AMD to wake up and this would be my next computer. I can't wait for comments and I would like to know if I could have done better for the amount of money I am going to spend.

I went for a GTX 580 that had pretty good specs and that one in particular will fit in my case. I swith the RAM to Corsair because I couldn't find the G Skill X series on the newegg site anymore but I don't think it's a big deal. I also picked an 120GB SSD; I found out that I could use some of it in relation with intel srt and the rest as a regular drive which would be a swift kick in the old rear end compared to the drives I have been using until now.

I appreciate all the comments in advance!

 

- ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard. Model #:Z68 Extreme4:  $189.99

- EVGA Super Clocked 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card: $499.99

- CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B. Only  qualified 1.5V XMP RAM on Intel Core : $89.99

- SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD.:  $205.99

- Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor: $314.99

- OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)   Model #:VTX3-25SAT3-120G:  $269.99

 -Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0 GB/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive:: $89.99

 -Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit 1-Pack – OEM: $139.99

- COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm  CPU Cooler Compatible Intel...  $39.99

Subtotal:  $1840.91

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#15 Posted : Monday, June 6, 2011 2:29:10 AM(UTC)
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Everything sounds good; you've got yourself a premo system there... Well you could beef up the CPU cooler a bit if you have a big budget but other then that; premo system.

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