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Offline Crisis Causer  
#16 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2008 2:45:47 AM(UTC)
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Die shrunken GPUs cost less and so they can afford to sell less.[:D]

You have a point about performance, but a lot of people like lower power now.  The X1800s and X1900s used a lot of power, but people still bought them.  Still, many were not happy.  And the the 2900 line just went too far.  3850/70 is very low power, and also lower in price thanks to die shrink.

And the 9800GTX is not worthy as an upgrade to the 8800GTX.  Nor do I think it was meant as one, judging by the relatively low price.  Nvidia just as using the "9" as a selling point.  It's rather stupid because it's the first time a new 1000 series performs the same.  But that's what the 9900 series is for.  The real next-gen from Nvidia.

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#17 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2008 10:52:31 AM(UTC)
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I think I understand both of your arguements.

I think they complement each other rather than being opposite opinions.  I think it is just how you guys originally worded them which made it seem like 2 arguements.

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#18 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2008 12:32:57 PM(UTC)
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coolzonestefan wrote:

Ice_73!People are not attracted by the cards that consume less and less power!

People buy graphics cards for their newer games to work good!A LOT of them do this!

I

really do not get it how my previous statement showed lack of

knowledge!I have graphics cards since Trident and I know very well what

I am talking about!

 Performance sells!Die shrinks sell much

less! Because of this,a lot of cards considered only die shrinks

remained in stock at all the stores,because there are a lot of people

that read speciality forums and get it why it does not worth it to

'upgrade' if they already own a 8800GTX



die

shrinks cause increases in performance. think about it like this with

out die shrinks cards would just be getting bigger and bigger and then

were back to the old harvard computer that takes up a whole room.

seriously if you like pc's being "small" and by that i mean not being a

whole room, and consuming thousands of killo-wats an hour then die

shrinks are good.

im not implying that die shrinks are worth

upgrades. the 9800 is shit. and alot of people do buy for performance

but we wouldnt get that much performance increase with out die shrinks.


 

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#19 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2008 12:33:17 PM(UTC)
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coolzonestefan wrote:

Ice_73!People are not attracted by the cards that consume less and less power!

People buy graphics cards for their newer games to work good!A LOT of them do this!

I

really do not get it how my previous statement showed lack of

knowledge!I have graphics cards since Trident and I know very well what

I am talking about!

 Performance sells!Die shrinks sell much

less! Because of this,a lot of cards considered only die shrinks

remained in stock at all the stores,because there are a lot of people

that read speciality forums and get it why it does not worth it to

'upgrade' if they already own a 8800GTX



die

shrinks cause increases in performance. think about it like this with

out die shrinks cards would just be getting bigger and bigger and then

were back to the old harvard computer that takes up a whole room.

seriously if you like pc's being "small" and by that i mean not being a

whole room, and consuming thousands of killo-wats an hour then die

shrinks are good.

im not implying that die shrinks are worth

upgrades. the 9800 is shit. and alot of people do buy for performance

but we wouldnt get that much performance increase with out die shrinks.


 

Offline coolzonestefan  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:00:59 PM(UTC)
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Die shrinks are good because they cause increases in performance.Maybe...but what happened in reality from nVidia's side wasn't at all a noticeable performance increase with the new series of videocards

Offline Crisis Causer  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:14:23 AM(UTC)
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Just pretend the 9800GTX is called the 8900GTX and the 9800GX2 is called the 8950GX2.  It makes more sense within performance grounds.  I guess ATi is guilty of the same thing, as the 3870 performs similar to the 2900XT, but I think that drastic series change was neccessary.  They needed to separate themselves from the 2900's reputation of high power and high price.  Nvidia's 8800 line is well recieved and they need not distance themselves from it as drastically.  Calling it 9800 instead of 8900 is just an asshat move.  Even calling it a 8900GTX would be questionable because the 7900GTX relative to the 7800GTX was faster than 9800GTX to the 8800GTX.  And it has less memory, which is stupid.

Ah yes, well anyway. The new smaller die G92 cards (8800 GT, 8800 GTS, 9800GTX) cost less and use less power and perform slightly better (usually) then the old G80s.  So it's a good thing.  But the real gen has yet to come, and Nvidia still is planning a die shrink even further to 55nm (where ATi has been since November).

Offline SqUiD267  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:55:46 PM(UTC)
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 I wonder when we can expect these.

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