I agree that it sucks you can't go outside the app store... But it's not like you don't have options which you can't say for apple or android. You want win8 on your pc you can have it, notebook/netbook/ultrabook of course, x86 tablet great, ARM tablet owell you get what you pay for and don't get apps outside the app store, windows phone 8 nothing outside the App Store.. Should we complain about wp8 too? On the competition front apple has the same restrictions without full osx running on a tablet and has even less functionality on a tablet compared to winRT on a tablet, and arguably less functionality on the on mobile smart phones as well. Android? Same thing but without the desktops or laptops (worth mentioning any way).
Whether win8 ends up being a boon or a flop it still will be offering more options than the competition. If their App Store was as strong as apples this complaint might never have risen.
"The real problem with Windows 8 is that it locks ARM users into a second class experience."
No. It locks *gullible* users into a second-class experience. They could have bought an iOS or Android device and gotten first-class, but they chose Windows RT because they didn't know what they were buying. Caveat emptor applies, jsut like buying a used car. If you have no real idea what's in that poke, don't buy a pig. Get a friend who does know to help you shop, or hire a professional consultant (whom you can sue if he screws you over).
I don't know about everyone else, but I think Notch is hilarious and a hero. I bought a third copy of Minecraft simply because he would not deal with the patent trolls trying to sue him.
I agree with Joel that an app store isn't inherently a problem. Hell, even Ubuntu has one. The problem occurs when users are locked in to one. This is an area Apple is especially pushing (just look at what they're doing with Gatekeeper). And, if they're successful, Microsoft will continue jumping in right behind them - as usual.
As for Win8... I'd feel smarter if I'd have figured out that you can go back to the start screen without having to ask someone. My fault, I guess, for using my CR-48 and other systems that have conditioned me to never hit the Windows key (especially when non-existent).
"They could have bought an iOS or Android device and gotten first-class"
No, because you'll be using app stores with them too and MS App Store is basically modeled on the Apple App Store.
Besides, the MS App Store isn't necessarily quite as limited as some people are apparently thinking...
"We understand that in some cases, apps provide a gateway to retail content, user generated content, or web based content. We classify those apps as either Storefront apps, whose primary function is to aggregate and sell third party media or apps, or Streaming apps, whose primary function is to aggregate and stream web-based images, music, video or other media content. In some cases, it may be acceptable for a Storefront or Streaming app to include some content that might otherwise be prohibited in a single purpose app."
They also have other loop holes, like companies can use a similar loop hole to have their own secure in-house app store available to their employees.
People should also consider the fact legacy apps for Windows wouldn't run on ARM anyway! Also, Windows will be likely a much more major target for malware makers. So it's not like MS could just leave themselves wide open to attack like Android is with the Play Store. Especially with mobile devices with NFC and mobile payment systems that would be a major cash cow for malware makers.
> People should also consider the fact legacy apps for Windows wouldn't run on ARM anyway!
Absolutely true, but MS sincerely does *not* want that fact in the marketing materials. :)
> MS could just leave themselves wide open to attack like Android is with the Play Store.
The Play Store is not quite wide open. Kos and others have tried to submit some apps that requested elevated permissions, and they did not get accepted.
He isn't the only one that has a problem with Win-8 either. Microsoft is trying the steamroller approach with this OS and there are boulders in the way,.......Ha-Ha!
"The Play Store is not quite wide open. Kos and others have tried to submit some apps that requested elevated permissions, and they did not get accepted."
Yet the number of malware being released is still increasing... it went up 61% in Q1 and tripled in Q2 of this year!
So it's hardly comparable to the much more secure app distribution used by GNU/Linux distros.
My respect for him has definitely gone up a Notch. [:P]
But seriously, he's a very cool guy. The same can be said for most of Mojang.
One thing.. I have yet to find an Android tablet that **REQUIRES** that you download apps from the Google Play Store. By default, most allow it, but every single one I've seen has an option to allow you to install apps from unknown sources, which basically lets you download and install an APK from anywhere. With that option enabled, the Gmail app even helpfully replaces the Open link with an Install link for attachments that are APKs!
And just look at how wonderfully free from malware and stuff android and its openness is. Oh, wait...
Whats the big deal, you don't need it certified for W8 anyways. If Notch even used W8 once he would relize this. But looks like he's too big of a hipster for it.
So, I guess the iPad is an open system platform then?
I don't agree .
It won't ruin the PC it makes Intel and Arm compete to create better procesors something I found out about ARM is that it runs differently there's so much for Intel but ARM is much faster per space . Minecraft is already for Android which is on ARM I could Just jail break a surface and download through my email address on Google . But that's alot of trouble . You say we will mis out but in the long run you will. Mine craft is a great game But eventually ARM will surpass Intel . Apple and android are heading that way and Microsoft Pays there developers the may double . Not to mention the great advantage you get from tuning ARM they have free versions of mine craft for Intel only hurting you ever so slitly more they don't have that for ARM more money in your pocket you did it for android and apple do it for windows there gonna proceed with or without minecraft.
I don't agree with the Mine craft man I mean