I'm j/w whether the extra L2 cache on the 4400+ will make that much difference in gaming performance to justify the extra $100 or so.

it will not provide much of a difference in gaming performance, however it will speed up encoding times for you.
Ok ty,

I think I will spend the extra $100 on other hardware if it won't make much of a difference.

Btw can anyone from Canada advise a place from which to buy a PC?
im from canada and i buy all my stuff from ncix.com, they ship from vancouver, but the wait is minimal, and the customer service is very good.

oh and for the extra 100, go for a nice 7800GT, heres one thatll do well:

XFX Xtreme GT
Ty very much. I was having alot of trouble finding a good place to buy a PC and it looks as if that site has very reasonable prices.

Another thing: would you guys advise me trying to OC my system if I have never OC'ed anything before? Part of me says just leave it alone coz it would be alot of work + the possibility of [censored]up but the other part of me would really like extra performance for free
Der Meister
if you read the Ocing guide that the guys have put together, and dont try for big #'s without good coling its not bad. just relize that you could have a problem, but if you take precautions and dont try to really push it, its not a real big problem.
Do I even need to go dual processor? If I don't want to run 2 monitors or run several large "operations" at the same time (say virus scanning while gaming or w/e) would I get much advantage from the X2?

What about going with the 3800 or something and OCing it.

And Freeman would it be possible for you to recommend a mobo, case + cooling system and PSU that would work well if I wanted to OC my system (on that ncix.com site)?

Thx for all your help
no problem man, thats what were here for. and if you are looking for gaming performance, dual core will not be all that important now, as games are largely single-core, but in the future will be shifting to dual core. as for the recommendations:

All from NCIX:

X2 4200

7800 GT

DFI LanParty UT

insanely ocable board with all the bios options you could want.

Corsair Cool Water

This is a great cooling system, mac pc got a 3.4 p4 to 4.1 on it.

I think I will go with a single core now since the X2 is fairly expensive now for not too much extra performance. In a few years or w/e I think I"ll go for dual core. By that time it should all be cheaper.

If I was to go single core what would you advise? 3200+ is dirt cheap-->how fast could you OC this with a good cooling system etc? I'd probably be thinking 3500 or 3700 atm.

Gfx card wise could I get away with a 6800? I have been thinking 7800 GT the whole time but I'm not so sure now. What sort of performance could you get out of and OCed 6800. And what model of 6800 would you advise (GS XT etc)? What do you think would be better out of a 6800 and 7800 cost-performance wise? Originally I was thinking of spending quite a bit on a comp but now I think I would rather go cheaper and try my hand at OCing.

Another thing is that I don't really want to go all out on a gfx card until after directX 10. Is that reasonable? Does anyone actually know when directX 10 is coming out.

Thanks again
direct x 10 is coming with vista, and seeing as fs x is using it, then it will be availble "late 2006/early 2007" according to pcg. as for going cheaper and ocing, you hit the nail on the head right there. heres what you should guy (links included for your convenience):

A64 3500

this cpu is quite nice and ocs well, my bro has one and i pushed it to 2.43 on stock. good choice for you system, plus not all that pricy.

XFX 6800GS

great card, comes factory oced and can be pushed even more by dowloading coolbits (google it) and pushing the speeds.

DFI Lanparty UT4

this is the same mobo as before, fact is, its an awesome board.

Corsair Kit

the components i list are what i would recommend if you are planning to get vista on release. otherwise, you will get better performance out of the previous components. remember that clock speed (gained by ocing) is not everything and that a 7800GT stock will still spank a 6800gs oced with liquid nitrogen, just because it has more pixel pipes.

I'll def go for that mobo and the 3500 sounds good-->do you think it would be worth the extra $50 for the 3700 and a mb of cache instead of 512?

I'll probably go with the 7800GT 256 since I'll save a couple hundred $$ on the CPU.

If I wasn't going to OC the CPU hardcore (first time and I think I'll take it nice and easy) could I get away with a fan/air based cooling system?

I really appreciated all your help
yeah you could get away with this one:

Zalman Cooler

damn nice for an air cooler and gets performance almost as good as water. plus its only 50 bucks.

and the extra 1 mb of cache does not benefit gaming as much as it does encoding, which for you i think would be non-benficial.

ty very

I had a question about HDs that I posted in another forum but no one has anwered so I might as well ask it to you here

How much does the speed of your HD affect performance in gaming?

What's the comparison (in a general sense) between the performance of say a 10000rpm HD and 2 7200s connected in RAID 0?

Would you even need a setup like that-->would say the Western Digital SATA 250Gb HD be sufficient?
you wouldnt get all that much of a difference, the load times would chagne bout 2 seconds. i recommend 2 7200's, as you will get way more capacity, and with a raid array you can match the read/write times of a 10k drive.
Here is what I am thinking atm:

Case ENLIGHT EN-7250 ATX CASE BEIGE 4X5.25 3X3.5 NO P/S $49.02
Processor AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Processor S939 San Diego 2.2GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM Retail Box $299.61
Motherboard DFI LANParty UT NF4 ULTRA-D Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra DDR 2PCI-E16 SATA RAID Sound LAN 1394 $150.89
OCZ EL Platinum PC3200 2GB 2X1GB DDR400 CL2-3-2-5 184PIN Pin Dual Channel Memory Kit /W Ramsink $284.23
IDE Hard Drives Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB IDE ATA100 7200RPM 8MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year MFR Warranty $120.52
Video Card EVGA E-GEFORCE 7800GT CO 470MHZ PCI-E 256MB 256BIT GDDR3 Dual DVI-I HDTV VIVO SLI Ready Video Card $413.55
Power Supply OCZ OCZ52012U-520W Modstream Power Supply PCI-E Ready W/ Ezmod Cable System & Blue LED Fan $117.43
Heat Sink ZALMAN CNPS7700-CU LGA775 S478 S754 S939 S940 COPPER 1000-2000RPM 20-32DBA CPU HEATSINK FAN $56.86
Sound Card Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 PCI 24-BIT OEM $57.08
CD Writers ASUS CRW-5232AS 52X32X52 CDRW INT IDE W/ SW RETAIL BOX $45.81
Speaker Logitech S200 2.1 3PC 30W Speaker System OEM SILVER-BLACK W/ Power & VolumeContr $33.54

All quoted prices are in CANADIAN DOLLARS $1, 690.43

Now I am really not sure what to do about teh HD. I suppose I could go the cheap option, which is as shown, or I could go for the 10000 74 Gb WD HD (would be enough space for me) for $100 or so more, or try a RAID setup.

Also not sure about the sound card, speakers, case.

ANyhow any comments/things you would change?