Silent Bob
2004-08-19T14:58:17Z
Hey,

Right im looking for a new graphics card to upgrade from my ATI 9500 to somthing else at the moment
its a Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB (yes im an ATI boy) and i would like to play half life 2 on it with 80fps ish, so i can play tfc:s cs:s on it also..
I think this card can do the job, but what do you think... hardware isnt my greatist streanth in computers, im looking at spending 150-200 max.

Thanks Guys
Jordan
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2004-08-19T15:07:10Z
For the price you won't get a better card. If you look up reviews they will tell you what kind of FPS to expect in vearios games but remeber the rest of your system (which you never specified) comes into play as well.

link doesn't work. Where are you buying form? Have you tried www.overclockers.co.uk 
Silent Bob
2004-08-19T15:21:20Z
http//www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=47511

ebuyer, the reviews ive seen on it are really good.. thats why im intrested in it, i know the beta for cs:s
is now out so if anyone has played it and has the card/or near somthing near it that would be nice.

Thanks for the feed back jordan.

Well i never really look.. in tfc/cs i get 99 that bumps up and down,
in other games lets say doom 3 will run ok/abit laggy in medium detail mode... Im a gamer that only really plays HL mods. Maybe other games like doom every now and again. But my ram is low and my
board only supports 4x apg so im also getting a new board at the same time. Then after that ram
because i have like 384 at the moment. Sorry i can't say any more..
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2004-08-19T15:36:02Z
Well if you download CPU-Z (google it) it will tell you more then you can tell us

Even though your board only supposts 4x there isn't much difference between 4x and 8x. Trust me on this, it's like 2-3% performance difference max and definitely not worth upgrading your Mobo just for that.
Silent Bob
2004-08-19T16:14:19Z
Its not just that, i get hardware conflictions, like sometimes the computer wont start and do post, it'll
keep restarting its self... also my cpu (AMD 2000XP) wont clock any higher its ment to be 1.6 and runs at 1.2. I could flash the bois but im looking to get a 2500XP/3000XP buy the end of the year anyway.
Its cheap crap that i brought because when my other board died i had no money for anything better.. But here are the specs anyway.. But thanks for the info about 4x and 8x.

Specification AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Family/Model/Stepping 662
Extended Family/Model 7/6
Package Socket A
Core Stepping A5
Technology 0.18
Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Clock Speed 1244.7 MHz
Clock multiplier x12.5
Front Side Bus Frequency 99.6 MHz
Bus Speed 199.2 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 1244.7 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits

CPU #1
manufacturer AMD
model unknown
clock speed 1250.0MHz
FSB speed 66.0MHz
multiplier 19.0x

Chipset
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Northbridge SiS SiS735 rev. 1
Southbridge SiS ID8 rev. 0
AGP Revision 2.0
AGP Transfert Rate 4x
AGP SBA supported, enabled
AGP Aperture 64 MBytes
Memory Type DDR
Memory Size 512 MBytes
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 4
Cycle Time (tRAS) 6
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 10

Not sure what you want, so ive given you what it hink matters. The 512mb ram goes monday when my mate takes his pc back

*edit
on the motherboard front, ive asked here before about it
http://www.hothardware.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=1&threadid=19737&highlight_key=y&keyword1=mother%20AND%20board%20AND%20power%20AND%20reboots
Thomaz41
2004-08-19T17:30:37Z
Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB

look into it if its the 128bit ddr version if it is its like a 9800SE

Now with your mobo and xp2000 look around your northbrigh chip and look for a jumper that says 100mhz and 133\\166 or the last on can say 166/200 if u have 400mhz bus support and set the jumper to 133\\166mhz then u will have acess to the 133mhz+ bus speeds
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2004-08-19T17:32:23Z
Well if you're going for a new CPU later then it's worth it. I just thought you were upgrading for the graphics card. So what is your RAM? To run a 2500X-3200XP you need at least PC2700 RAM. You could get a mobile XP and overclock it if you stick around here and get overclocking info. It's easy to do, saves you money and you can go beyond 3200+ speeds.
Stonesfan
2004-08-20T11:03:22Z
Thomaz has a good point. I've had the same problem. Just go into your BIOS and check if you can raise the FSB to 133. When I did that the problem was solved.
Jordan
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2004-08-20T11:38:26Z
Usually it will be a jumper on the Mobo, or more likely a series of switches rather than in the BIOS itself.
Stonesfan
2004-08-20T12:14:34Z
For me it worked. But it could be that he first has to change a jumper.
Silent Bob
2004-08-20T15:16:42Z
When i turn fsb speed up in my bois the computer wont boot again, so when i get some time i will look for this jumper setting that could be the reason why, thanks.
But also what is a mobile XP? their new moblie chips they've brang out? Or is it something else?

And ya the card is ddr version "Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB DDR 8x AGP DVi & TV-Out"
I herd the SE wasnt as good, or did i hear that from the "Many Video Card related topics and questions aswered here!" topic? im not sure.
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2004-08-20T15:58:58Z
A Mobile XP is the chip they use in the Athlon Laptops. It runs at lower temperatures and voltages than a reglar XP and can fit in desktop Motherboards. The low temps make them great overclockers.

You upping the FSB in the BIOS is essentially you overclocking as the FSB is locked to 100MHz plus whatever extra you add on. When you change that switch you will be able to hit the speeds you're supposed to.
Silent Bob
2004-08-20T18:29:16Z
Ok. well i have to take the ram out tomorrow anyway so i'll take alook...
Will the proccesser cost any more? because if its cheaper hell that would be nice.. so little time untill hl2
and so little money.. Im an apprentice IT tech and i get 40 a week I get a rise in sep but not too much more.
Jordan
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2004-08-20T18:51:32Z
Well a mobile 2400+ will be cheaper than a 3200+ that's for sure. I would get your Motherboard FSB ratio sorted first though.
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