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kramit
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2004-01-30T14:57:55Z
Hey everyone, I'm going to be building my first PC in the next few months, this post isn't about how to phyisically build the PC, but reccomendations. I gathered a list of items from www.newegg.com  to see what you guys think about a beginner PC builder, cheap PC.

Here everything is...

ANTEC Solution Series 3.0 Ghz compatible Case with 300W Power Supply

ASUS nForce 220-D Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor

Crucial 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2100

Western Digital Special Edition 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive

Logitech X-120 2.0 Speaker

Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse BLACK PS2/USB

AOC 7F 17" Pure Flat CRT Monitor

Samsung 52X CD-ROM Drive

LINKSYS EtherFast 10/100Mbps Ethernet Adapter Ver5.1

Antec All Clear PRO 80mm 4 pin Fan for all 80mm cases

ATI All In Wonder RADEON 9000PRO Video Card, 64MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/CATV/VIVO, 4X AGP

So basically thats everything I'm getting, it comes to about 670 with shipping, is there anything you guys recommend getting? or anything on my list you recommend not getting? Also a few questions about the All in Wonder, with that I can hook a TV cable, or even a AV output cable(video games) into it and play either or through a certain program correct? Thanks!
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Jordan
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2004-01-30T15:12:26Z
Wrong type of RAM. That RAM is only 266MHz but the Barton CPU has a 333MHz FSB. Can we have more details on that Mobo? What's the actual model name?

You can get a better HD than that for cheaper. Try the Hitachi 7K250.

You sure you don't want to consider a DVD/CDRW combi drive? They arn't too expensive
xtremeskier97
2004-01-30T15:17:44Z
He can use that memory but I wouldnt recommend it. I would get a minimal of PC2700, and if you are going to overclock, then get PC3200 at least.

As far as the DVD/CDRW combo drive, I would recommend that as well, like Jordan said, they arent that much more in cost. Then you will have room to add a DVD-/+RW to the system down the road.

As far as the video card goes, what will you be using this system for? Gaming?? Homework?? If for gaming, I would get a better video card, like the 9700 or 9800 series.

Other than that, looks like a pretty decent system.

Oh...and what OS will you be using??
kramit
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2004-01-30T15:24:44Z
This system will be used for somewhat gaming and other things(photoshop primarily) and whatever homework I have. Also I'm gonna get Windows 2000, the same style as 98se and not the fanciness of XP(i dislike XP)
xtremeskier97
2004-01-30T15:25:58Z
Then I would definitely get a better video card. Got for a 128MB 9700 or 9800 series card.
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2004-01-30T15:45:17Z
Alright I figured out what I'm gonna do, I'm going to get the above items, except I'm going to get the 2700 ram instead of 2100, and a 60gb harddrive. I'm going to use the onboard video and sound till I save more money, then get the AIW 9800PRO. Sounds like a plan to me.
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2004-01-30T15:51:00Z
I would def recommend XP for gaming and it is ever so slightly faster than 2000 with tasks such as Photoshop. I use my machine for web design and use programs like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash etc and XP is great. I ran 2000 for a long time and it was great but now I run XP (with all those effects off) and it's even better.

I also find Photoshop benifits from a higher FSB (the speed that the CPU communicaatres with the RAM) thats why I have mine at 450 instad of the default 333 of the Barton and just drop the multiplier (CPU speed) to keep temps low. But you probably wont be able to do that as most new Athlons come with a locked multiplier.

A fast HD is essential too. I stand by my first recommendation of the Hitachi.

If it's just light gaming you do that graphics card will be fine for now. But I would stronlgy recommend you to get a better monitor for Photoshop etc. It's not as easy to upgrade and sell on.
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2004-01-30T15:52:32Z
The 89800 Pro is overkill for that system and running it on that monitor would be doiung it a great injustice.
xtremeskier97
2004-01-30T15:57:21Z
I would also recommend XP over 2000. All you have to do is turn off all the "eye candy". Thats what I do.

I wouldnt recommend Hitachi, as I have never had any luck with them. I would stick with the WD drive with the 8MB cache.
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2004-01-30T15:59:04Z
Alright heres another compiled list, remember only using the onboard video until I save money for the ATI AIW 9800PRO.

ANTEC Solution Series 3.0 Ghz compatible Case with 300W Power Supply

ASUS nForce 220-D Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor

Crucial 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2700

SAMSUNG 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive

Logitech X-120 2.0 Speaker

Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse BLACK PS2/USB

AOC 7F 17" Pure Flat CRT Monitor

Asus Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive

LINKSYS EtherFast 10/100Mbps Ethernet Adapter Ver5.1

Antec All Clear PRO 80mm 4 pin Fan for all 80mm cases
Jordan
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2004-01-30T16:02:01Z
Well the Hitachis are re-badged IBMS and IBM has a 50% share in Hitachis storage devision. Trust me theyre the fastest IDE drives avalavble. I used to have a WD cav SE but it was so noisy and overpriced. It's also currently in RMA status! It's also slow and outdated now although it was great in it's time many drives are faster now.
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2004-01-30T16:05:33Z
Could someone with a bit of experiance back me up here? That card wont shine on that system with the budget Mobo and esp on that monitor.

Nice choice on the HD. I Have 2 Samsung SATAs, great performance and nearly silent.

A 9800SE with full AIW status would be a better buy.
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2004-01-30T16:10:02Z
Man well like i said, this is my first PC I'm building, I don't know what parts go best with what parts, you guys are the pros. Just looking for some help. Should I keep the same monitor with cheaper video card?
xtremeskier97
2004-01-30T16:13:39Z
Quote:

Originally posted by Jordan
Could someone with a bit of experiance back me up here?


Starting to sound a little [censored]y, arent we?? I know plenty about systems, as I build and repair them for a living. If you had bothered to notice, I didnt say anything else about the damn video card after you had mentioned about the monitor.

And I HAVE a WD 40GB SE in my system right now, as does my wife's system, running for over a year now, without any problems, and they are NOT noisy.

I would go with a Seagate, as he did, over a Hitachi/IBM drive.

@kramit....the updated list looks good, but I would still recommend a DVD/CDRW combo drive over just a DVD.

Good luck with the system build.
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2004-01-30T16:13:52Z
Haha, one guy is supporting me, one guy wants me to get better stuff...I guess i'm gonna have to trust xtreme if he builds and repairs for a living.......